[9fans] Tassilo Philip, you asked the perfect question

[m***@sphericalharmony.com]

if you want to make the world a better place, do exactly what you did.
Release free and open software, discuss ideas, get feedback, etc..

Thank you for this response. This allows me to clarify the issues.

I wrote and released free and open source software, and I made a big
attempt to discuss the ideas and get feedback.

No one is willing to use the software, discuss the ideas, and give
feedback.

I wondered why this was, and I tried searching for info about someone
who I knew WOULD have ideas and feedback - EricVH. I wanted to write
to him and see if he at least understood what I was up to. I found
the Multi-pipe patent.

I think I CANNOT GET FEEDBACK because all the people who would/could
give me feedback won't do it because they would rather put the ideas
in ANTS into patentable form, so they won't talk about it here.

That is why I'm so angry.

Ben Kidwell
"mycroftiv"

[Tassilo Philipp]

Post by m***@sphericalharmony.com
Thank you for this response. This allows me to clarify the issues.
I wrote and released free and open source software, and I made a big
attempt to discuss the ideas and get feedback.
No one is willing to use the software, discuss the ideas, and give
feedback.

"Dude", give it some time... You are writing to a mailing list of a rather small, but _dedicated_ community, that is absolutely open to good ideas and design. However, I'd bet that a lot of us have a lot of things to do, every day - things that have nothing to do with Plan9.

I, for example, I work in games. PC games to be precise, a Windows-dominated world. I learned a lot through this list, and surely miss many of the Plan9 ideas in other operating systems. I would love to spend 100% of my time to port software to Plan9 (which it is lacking, for sure), but simply can't. Work, family, personal projects, 50+ emails a day to work through, etc.. You know, I see so many interesting ideas from all kinds of people every week, and I usually leave my browser-tabs open, to look at them in detail, later. And guess what: often, I never get around it.

Looking at ANTS, I like what I see, but quite honestly, to really 'grok' it, I need to use it. This doesn't just happen in a few hours after reading your post.

If you are looking for _instant_ feedback from people, you would be much better off coming up with some fancy CSS-styling effect and posting it on slashdot. Even cooler if it works in IE. Or yet another web framework. Yes, there is some sarcasm in that sentence.

Do I like what the computing world developed into? Not really, as many things that we use every day could be so much better - but I have to deal with it, learn from it, and be happy with what I can accomplish.

[Bence Fábián]

Post by Tassilo Philipp
"Dude", give it some time... You are writing to a mailing list of a rather
small, but _dedicated_ community, that is absolutely open to good ideas and
design. However, I'd bet that a lot of us have a lot of things to do, every
day - things that have nothing to do with Plan9.
I, for example, I work in games. PC games to be precise, a
Windows-dominated world. I learned a lot through this list, and surely miss
many of the Plan9 ideas in other operating systems. I would love to spend
100% of my time to port software to Plan9 (which it is lacking, for sure),
but simply can't. Work, family, personal projects, 50+ emails a day to work
through, etc.. You know, I see so many interesting ideas from all kinds of
people every week, and I usually leave my browser-tabs open, to look at
them in detail, later. And guess what: often, I never get around it.

I second that. I wanted to look into ANTS since you first posted about
it, but I just simply didn't have the time. To read about it, set it
up, read some more, play around with it. That would take at least 4-5
hours. Just to get a feel of it. I don't have that much free time on a
weekday and usually even my weekends are full with personal programs. It
takes me a few weeks to check something out.

But since then you have posted at least forty mails, complaining that
noone gave you feedback. You've been working on this for a long time. You
know it inside out. But for us this is a totally new (and btw huge)
project. Let it sink in. ANTS looks interesting. I'm sure a few people
will try it and maybe like it, even use, and contribute to it. Just be
patient. Nobody likes if someone is pestering him about something he's
doing as a favour.

And I don't think IBM will give a shit if the 500 people using Plan 9
has ANTS which has similar goals as one of their projects, which they
patented an implementation for.

So calm the fuck down, it's all good ☺